中國(guó)教育優(yōu)于西方 - Telegram創(chuàng)始人杜羅夫

Chinese education superior to West – Telegram founder Durov

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題圖：美國(guó)2024年國(guó)際數(shù)學(xué)奧林匹克代表隊(duì)，美國(guó)數(shù)學(xué)協(xié)會(huì)。

Telegram co-founder and CEO Pavel Durov has attributed China’s rapid advancements in artificial intelligence to its highly competitive education system, emphasizing the nation’s consistent excellence in mathematics and programming.

Telegram聯(lián)合創(chuàng)始人兼CEO帕維爾-杜羅夫?qū)⒅袊?guó)在人工智能領(lǐng)域的快速進(jìn)步歸因于其高度競(jìng)爭(zhēng)的教育體系，強(qiáng)調(diào)中國(guó)在數(shù)學(xué)和編程領(lǐng)域的持續(xù)卓越表現(xiàn)。
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In a statement on Wednesday, Durov noted that China’s education system fosters “fierce competition” among students, a principle reminiscent of the “highly efficient” Soviet model. He contrasted this with Western educational approaches, where competition is often minimized to avoid hurting students’ feelings.

杜羅夫在周三的聲明中指出，中國(guó)的教育體系在學(xué)生中培養(yǎng)“激烈競(jìng)爭(zhēng)”，這一原則讓人聯(lián)想到“高效”的蘇聯(lián)模式。他將此與西方教育方式對(duì)比，后者往往弱化競(jìng)爭(zhēng)以避免傷害學(xué)生情感。

“Victory and defeat are two sides of the same coin. Eliminate the losers – and you eliminate the winners,” Durov wrote in a post celebrating the Chinese New Year.

“勝利與失敗是一體兩面。淘汰失敗者——你也淘汰了勝利者?！倍帕_夫在一篇慶祝中國(guó)新年的帖子中寫(xiě)道。

Durov emphasized that while telling all students they are champions, regardless of performance, may seem kind, reality will quickly shatter this illusion after graduation.

杜羅夫強(qiáng)調(diào)，盡管告訴所有學(xué)生“你們都是冠軍”（無(wú)論實(shí)際表現(xiàn)如何）看似仁慈，但現(xiàn)實(shí)會(huì)在畢業(yè)后迅速粉碎這種幻想。

“Reality, unlike well-meaning school policies, does have public grades and rankings – whether in sports, business, science, or technology,” he wrote on Wednesday, warning that removing transparency in student performance can make school feel meaningless for ambitious teenagers.

“現(xiàn)實(shí)與善意的學(xué)校政策不同，確實(shí)存在公開(kāi)的評(píng)分和排名——無(wú)論是在體育、商業(yè)、科學(xué)還是技術(shù)領(lǐng)域?！彼苋龑?xiě)道，并警告稱(chēng)，消除學(xué)生表現(xiàn)的透明度可能讓學(xué)校對(duì)志向遠(yuǎn)大的青少年失去意義。

“AI benchmarks that demonstrate DeepSeek’s superiority are one of such public rankings. And more are coming,” he cautioned.

“證明DeepSeek優(yōu)越性的AI基準(zhǔn)測(cè)試正是這類(lèi)公開(kāi)排名之一。未來(lái)還會(huì)有更多?！彼娴?。
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“China’s progress in algorithmic efficiency hasn’t come out of nowhere,” Durov explained, noting that Chinese students have “l(fā)ong outperformed others in math and programming at international Olympiads.”

“中國(guó)在算法效率上的進(jìn)步并非憑空而來(lái)?！倍帕_夫解釋道，并指出中國(guó)學(xué)生“長(zhǎng)期以來(lái)在國(guó)際奧賽中數(shù)學(xué)和編程表現(xiàn)遠(yuǎn)超他人”。

China leads the US in cumulative medal counts in the International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO), with 185 gold medals to 151, as well as 102 to 68 in the International Olympiad in Informatics (IOI). While the US managed to beat China by a mere two points in the 2024 IMO, ending its decade-long reign, some critics attributed the victory to the “disproportionate” Asian representation on the American team.

中國(guó)在國(guó)際數(shù)學(xué)奧賽（IMO）累計(jì)獎(jiǎng)牌數(shù)上以185金對(duì)151金領(lǐng)先美國(guó)，信息學(xué)奧賽（IOI）則以102金對(duì)68金領(lǐng)先。盡管美國(guó)在2024年IMO中以微弱2分險(xiǎn)勝中國(guó)，終結(jié)其十年統(tǒng)治，但有批評(píng)者認(rèn)為美國(guó)隊(duì)的勝利得益于其隊(duì)伍中“比例超?！钡膩喴岢蓡T。

Durov’s comments follow the success of Chinese AI startup DeepSeek, which has developed an open-source reasoning model without access to cutting-edge US chips and at a fraction of the cost. He cautioned that unless the US education system undergoes significant reforms to encourage competition and recognize excellence, China’s growing dominance in technology appears inevitable.

杜羅夫的評(píng)論發(fā)布時(shí)間緊跟中國(guó)AI初創(chuàng)公司DeepSeek的成功，該公司以極低成本開(kāi)發(fā)了無(wú)需美國(guó)尖端芯片的開(kāi)源推理模型。他警告稱(chēng)，除非美國(guó)教育體系進(jìn)行重大改革以鼓勵(lì)競(jìng)爭(zhēng)并認(rèn)可卓越，否則中國(guó)在技術(shù)領(lǐng)域日益增強(qiáng)的主導(dǎo)地位將不可避免。

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@nanach
Bro, no shit? This is why I don’t like Durov. You get no credit for saying things that are perfectly clear and obviously true.

兄弟，還用你說(shuō)？這就是我不喜歡杜羅夫的原因。說(shuō)這些明擺著的事實(shí)可不會(huì)讓你贏得任何贊譽(yù)。

@Alex Wolf
It is natural that a nation based on work-related ambition and discipline achieves results superior to those of a nation based on wealth-related ambition and comfort. This applies also to groups within nations.

一個(gè)以職業(yè)抱負(fù)和紀(jì)律立國(guó)的國(guó)家，其成就自然優(yōu)于以財(cái)富野心和安逸立國(guó)的國(guó)家。這一規(guī)律也適用于國(guó)家內(nèi)部的群體。
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@Nonyank S
A pretty LOW BAR since the US is a fourth World Dictatorship!

這標(biāo)準(zhǔn)可真低啊，畢竟美國(guó)就是個(gè)第四世界DC國(guó)家！

@F
general worldly knowledge is lacking in usa – but they are top of the world in worshiping movie stars and such pointless information

美國(guó)人缺乏世俗常識(shí)——但他們崇拜電影明星和此類(lèi)無(wú)意義信息的水平倒是世界頂尖。
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@Richard Hollembeak
The Department of Education and the Public Schools do a great job at drugging up the brightest kids in the classes for ?no child will be left behind?.

教育部和公立學(xué)校在給最聰明的孩子喂藥以確?！安蛔屢粋€(gè)孩子掉隊(duì)”方面干得真棒。

@Anonydun “Hanonymouse” 82fgoog
Considering there are American colleges graduating students who cannot even read, this is not hard to believe.

考慮到美國(guó)有些大學(xué)的畢業(yè)生甚至不識(shí)字，這倒是不難理解。

@Richard Hollembeak
But they can play ball.

但他們能打球啊。

@Me
It’s a pity we can’t post lixs. I could show you how feeble DeepSeek actually is. Not that ChatGPT is any better, it’s junk too. These AI platforms are fine for people who don’t need anything scrutinised scientifically. They’re good for high-school students, but that’s about it.

可惜不能發(fā)鏈接。我本可以展示DeepSeek有多拉垮。ChatGPT也好不到哪去，都是垃圾。這些AI平臺(tái)只適合不需要科學(xué)嚴(yán)謹(jǐn)性的人。給高中生用還行，僅此而已。

Even then, it’s only good for TEXT. For everything else they’re complete junk. This whole ‘AI’ business, it’s all BS. AI is good for large data sets, that’s it. There’s nothing intelligent about it. A cat has more sense to run away when it hears a loud ‘bang’; AI wouldn’t know what to do unless you program it to do something.

即便如此，它們也只能處理文本。其他方面完全沒(méi)用。整個(gè)“AI”產(chǎn)業(yè)——全是扯淡。AI只擅長(zhǎng)處理大數(shù)據(jù)集，僅此而已。它毫無(wú)智能可言。貓聽(tīng)到“砰”一聲還知道逃跑；AI除非被編程，否則根本不知道該怎么辦。

@Jeffers
The US education system fosters innovation, new ideas, new products, great designs, music, etc. The Chinese education system produces great engineers, scientists, and problem solving… but they aren’t the greatest at innovation (SO FAR). The Chinese are able to take a concept and make it cheaper and better (sometimes). But I believe China still struggles to create new great products that are completely new. Just look at their movie industry…with all the money and people China has, the still can’t produce GREAT movies – something the US can do (Hollywood). Even with their newest launch ?Deepseek?, at the end of the day, it’s still a copy of OpenAI. I believe China is still many years away from reaching the innovative stage. Remember, Japan, reached it’s innovative stage in the 1980s, after 40 years of copying the US. Think Transformers, Nintendo, SEGA, Sony, etc…they took off only in the 1980s. Before that, Japan was merely copying US ideas.

美國(guó)教育體系鼓勵(lì)創(chuàng)新、新思想、新產(chǎn)品、偉大設(shè)計(jì)和音樂(lè)等。中國(guó)教育體系培養(yǎng)出優(yōu)秀的工程師、科學(xué)家和問(wèn)題解決者……但迄今仍不擅長(zhǎng)創(chuàng)新。中國(guó)人能把一個(gè)概念做得更便宜更好（目前為止）。但我認(rèn)為中國(guó)仍難以創(chuàng)造完全原創(chuàng)的偉大產(chǎn)品?？纯此麄兊碾娪爱a(chǎn)業(yè)——盡管資金和人力充足，卻拍不出像美國(guó)（好萊塢）那樣的偉大電影。即使他們最新推出的“Deepseek”，歸根結(jié)底仍是OpenAI的復(fù)制品。中國(guó)要達(dá)到創(chuàng)新階段還需多年。記住，日本在模仿美國(guó)40年后，于1980年代進(jìn)入創(chuàng)新階段，如變形金剛、任天堂、世嘉、索尼等均在80年代崛起。此前日本只是照搬美國(guó)創(chuàng)意。

@Edward
I think you are right to a large extent, but it is also why many things China has innovated upon is downplayed, their innovations, a lot of them aren’t exported. Like Durov said, I too feel like this is just the start for China. They have been working to catch up to the cutting edge set by the developed countries of today, what happens when they have caught up? Stagnation, or innovation? Are they as a culture adverse to risks? I think the people who fund projects, venture capital are, and that dictates what gets pushed. They will reach a point that they are at uncharted territory, and regularly take risks to find the next big thing.

我認(rèn)為你說(shuō)得大體正確，但這也導(dǎo)致中國(guó)的許多創(chuàng)新被低估，且許多創(chuàng)新并未對(duì)外輸出。正如杜羅夫所言，我也感覺(jué)這只是中國(guó)的起點(diǎn)。他們一直在追趕當(dāng)今發(fā)達(dá)國(guó)家的前沿技術(shù)，但當(dāng)他們追上后會(huì)怎樣？停滯還是創(chuàng)新？中國(guó)文化是否排斥風(fēng)險(xiǎn)？我認(rèn)為項(xiàng)目資助者（如風(fēng)投）的態(tài)度決定了發(fā)展方向。他們將進(jìn)入未知領(lǐng)域，并通過(guò)持續(xù)冒險(xiǎn)尋找下一個(gè)重大突破。

@Jeffers
Gradually, I believe China will become an innovator and creator of high quality stuff. Maybe another 10 years.

逐漸地我相信，中國(guó)將成為高質(zhì)量產(chǎn)品的創(chuàng)新者和創(chuàng)造者?；蛟S再十年就夠了。

@Bob Smith
The Chinese have been innovating for thousands of years. It’s just the past hundred years with the wars against the invading colonial West, the war against the invading Japanese and the civil war that stopped that innovation. Now China has rebuilt and is now surging ahead of the stagnated and declining West.

中國(guó)人的創(chuàng)新已持續(xù)數(shù)千年。只是過(guò)去百年因抗擊西方殖民侵略、抗日和內(nèi)戰(zhàn)打斷了創(chuàng)新進(jìn)程。如今中國(guó)已復(fù)興，并正超越停滯衰落的西方。

@Mechyuda
The US education system mostly wants obedient students who become indentured servants who provide steady revenue for parasitic rent-seeking by bankers, corporate owners + managers, & politicians + bureaucrat officials. Only a tiny fraction of students are expected to become inventors.

美國(guó)教育體系主要培養(yǎng)順從的學(xué)生，使其成為契約奴仆，為銀行家、企業(yè)主/經(jīng)理及政客/官僚的寄生性尋租提供穩(wěn)定收入。只有極少數(shù)學(xué)生有望成為發(fā)明家。

The US entertainment industry (movies, TV shows, music, sports, video games, novels, etc) outspends China’s entertainment industry by many times. This is the main reason for why the US entertainment industry is by far the most influential throughout the world. On the other hand, China has far better public transportation than the US has. China is also investing better in education, long-term job training, healthcare, restaurants, grocery stores, middle class homes, etc. China’s average lifespan recently surpassed the USA’s average lifespan by a tiny bit, & China’s senior citizens also age with less health problems.

美國(guó)的娛樂(lè)產(chǎn)業(yè)（電影、電視節(jié)目、音樂(lè)、體育、電子游戲、小說(shuō)等）比中國(guó)的娛樂(lè)產(chǎn)業(yè)要大很多倍。這也是美國(guó)娛樂(lè)業(yè)迄今為止在全世界最具影響力的主要原因。另一方面，中國(guó)的公共交通比美國(guó)好得多。中國(guó)在教育、長(zhǎng)期工作培訓(xùn)、醫(yī)療保健、餐館、雜貨店、中產(chǎn)階級(jí)住宅等方面的投資也更多。中國(guó)人的平均壽命最近略微超過(guò)了美國(guó)人的平均壽命，而且中國(guó)老年人的健康問(wèn)題也較少。

You need to keep in mind that the USA blocks & greatly restricts China’s medium to high tech products. The USA’s ruling classes only want China’s low tech products, because the USA’s ruling classes do NOT want to promote China’s advancement. The USA’s ruling classes want China to be a source of cheap, low-quality exports for controlling inflation in the USA. Thus the general public in the USA are ignorant about China’s better products. Check international reviews & reports (including social media) about China’s various vehicles, drones, robots, farms, power plants, military tech, etc. China is producing the full spectrum of cheap to mediocre to good to excellent stuff.

你得知道，美國(guó)封鎖并極大地限制了中國(guó)的中高科技產(chǎn)品。美國(guó)統(tǒng)治階級(jí)只想要中國(guó)的低科技產(chǎn)品，因?yàn)槊绹?guó)統(tǒng)治階級(jí)不想促進(jìn)中國(guó)的進(jìn)步。美國(guó)統(tǒng)治階級(jí)希望中國(guó)成為控制美國(guó)通貨膨脹的廉價(jià)、低質(zhì)出口產(chǎn)品的來(lái)源。因此，美國(guó)普通民眾對(duì)中國(guó)的優(yōu)質(zhì)產(chǎn)品一無(wú)所知。請(qǐng)查看國(guó)際評(píng)論和報(bào)道（包括社交媒體），了解中國(guó)的各種車(chē)輛、無(wú)人機(jī)、機(jī)器人、農(nóng)場(chǎng)、發(fā)電廠、軍事技術(shù)等。中國(guó)正在生產(chǎn)從廉價(jià)到平庸、從優(yōu)秀到卓越的所有產(chǎn)品。

DeepSeek (which is open source) is definitely not a copy of OpenAI, because that would lead to a very punishing lawsuit. OpenAI is vastly more costly, closed-source, & very energy demanding. DeepSeek did train with OpenAI, & OpenAI trains with Internet data & other AI. Training does NOT equal copying. Every highly skilled person trains with other people.

DeepSeek（開(kāi)源）絕對(duì)不是OpenAI的復(fù)制品，因?yàn)檫@將導(dǎo)致非常嚴(yán)重的訴訟。OpenAI的成本要高得多，而且是閉源的，對(duì)能源的要求也很高。DeepSeek確實(shí)使用OpenAI進(jìn)行訓(xùn)練，而OpenAI則使用互聯(lián)網(wǎng)數(shù)據(jù)和其他人工智能進(jìn)行訓(xùn)練。訓(xùn)練并不等于抄襲。每個(gè)高技能人才都會(huì)與其他人一起訓(xùn)練。

@James Cox
I am myself in the education sector and I made the opposite experience. Chinese students are hard-working but they lack a bit the wider view. Their weakness is applying the learnt content to a different setting.

我本人從事教育行業(yè)，但我的體驗(yàn)恰恰相反。中國(guó)學(xué)生勤奮刻苦，但缺乏更廣闊的視野。他們的不擅長(zhǎng)將所學(xué)內(nèi)容應(yīng)用到不同情境。

@JT13 England
That’s clearly rubbish. If it were true, China would not have a regular GDP growth rate of 5%-6% and we in the West would not have a pathetic growth rate of around 0.5 to 1% would we! I think you would be better suited in a different profession as you may be part of the problem.

這明顯是胡扯。如果屬實(shí)，中國(guó)就不會(huì)保持5%-6%的常規(guī)GDP增長(zhǎng)率，而我們西方也不會(huì)只有可憐的0.5%到1%的增長(zhǎng)率！我認(rèn)為你更適合換個(gè)職業(yè)，因?yàn)槟阕约嚎赡芫褪菃?wèn)題的一部分。

@Mechyuda
Are you talking about Chinese students in America’s education system, or Chinese students in China’s education system?

你指的是美國(guó)教育體系中的中國(guó)學(xué)生，還是中國(guó)本土教育體系中的中國(guó)學(xué)生？

Regardless, any good organization is based on specialized labor, teamwork, & technology. When doing various tasks, a person who is good at general subjects could outperform a specialized person. However, create a team of general-knowledge persons vs a team of complementary specialists, & the latter team could outperform the former team by a lot. The analogy would be like a basketball team of 5 shooting guards vs a basketball team of 1 center, 1 power forward, 1 forward, 1 shooting guard, & 1 point guard.

無(wú)論如何，任何優(yōu)秀組織都基于專(zhuān)業(yè)化分工、團(tuán)隊(duì)合作和技術(shù)。執(zhí)行多樣化任務(wù)時(shí)，通才可能勝過(guò)專(zhuān)才。但若將通才團(tuán)隊(duì)與互補(bǔ)型專(zhuān)家團(tuán)隊(duì)對(duì)比，后者會(huì)遠(yuǎn)超前者。類(lèi)比就像由5名得分后衛(wèi)組成的籃球隊(duì)，對(duì)比由1名中鋒、1名大前鋒、1名小前鋒、1名得分后衛(wèi)和1名控球后衛(wèi)組成的隊(duì)伍。

@Mechyuda
The Znist US empire glorifies more individualism & less teamwork, which is advantageous in various scenarios. China promotes more teamwork & less individualism, which is advantageous in other situations. The empire also glamorizes cutting-edge to bleeding-edge technology with high costs. China tends to favor bang-for-the-buck practical technology. Everything has its pros & cons.

美國(guó)帝國(guó)更推崇個(gè)人主義而非團(tuán)隊(duì)合作，這在某些場(chǎng)景中是優(yōu)勢(shì)。中國(guó)則更強(qiáng)調(diào)團(tuán)隊(duì)合作而非個(gè)人主義，這在其他情境中更具優(yōu)勢(shì)。帝國(guó)還熱衷于高成本的尖端甚至超前技術(shù)，而中國(guó)傾向于高性?xún)r(jià)比的實(shí)用技術(shù)。凡事皆有利弊。

@Me
I just did some thorough testing of DeepSeek —> OMG, it is complete junk; even Google is more accurate.

我剛對(duì)DeepSeek做了全面測(cè)試——天吶，它完全是垃圾；連谷歌都比它準(zhǔn)確。

@qudy qerban
Much of it depends on individuals’ drive to learn. While western young people are directed to focus their drive on exploring and exploiting to have a career, most other nations students try to gain knowledge and to understand as a basis for a career.

很大程度上取決于個(gè)人的學(xué)習(xí)動(dòng)力。西方年輕人被引導(dǎo)將動(dòng)力集中在探索和開(kāi)發(fā)職業(yè)機(jī)會(huì)上，而其他國(guó)家學(xué)生更多以獲取知識(shí)、深化理解為職業(yè)發(fā)展基礎(chǔ)。

@Maitlen
He is exactly right. American education is, in general, firmly in the toilet.

他說(shuō)得完全正確。美國(guó)教育整體上就是一坨屎。

@guillaume.t
Let us not forget the third way to achieve success without spending on formal education. With the Israeli way you can be dumb as rocks but cheat, corrupt, blackmail, and steal your way to AI supremacy, and apparently it is working better than the other methods.

別忘了不依賴(lài)正規(guī)教育的第三條成功路徑。用以色列的方式，哪怕蠢得像塊石頭，你也能通過(guò)欺騙、腐敗、勒索和剽竊稱(chēng)霸AI領(lǐng)域——顯然這比其他方法更有效。

@Dom Jagoz
USA students will keep their supremacy in political sciences, journalism, gender studies, etc. Still a lot of work to do in China.

美國(guó)學(xué)生將繼續(xù)保持其在政治學(xué)、新聞學(xué)、性別研究等領(lǐng)域的優(yōu)勢(shì)。中國(guó)在這些方面仍需努力。
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@Eileen Dover
That’s the problem. US is too good at these worthless subjects.

這就是問(wèn)題所在。美國(guó)太擅長(zhǎng)這些毫無(wú)價(jià)值的學(xué)科了。

@Dom Jagoz
I was being sarcastic.

我在說(shuō)反話(huà)。

@JT13 England
lol. Nothing like a good bit of sarcasm.

哈哈，沒(méi)什么比來(lái)一點(diǎn)兒高級(jí)諷刺更好的了。

@steven Johnson
Once US universities were the pinnacle of education but as government funding dried up and diverted to more profitable areas like the MIC, profitable for a very few not to the nation, these hallowed institutions had to seek funding from corporations and wealthy citizens. Once that occurred the downhill slid was on and it continues today. The US no longer relies on training their own but imports specialists just look at Silicon Valley. US school systems are terrible where people graduate but are barely literate. I recall that McDonalds many years ago had to introduce pictures on their cash registers because people could not read the type of food on offer. The US has been left behind a long time ago but one thing the US is extremely good at is BS and they keep on telling themselves they are the best and they believe it.

美國(guó)大學(xué)曾是教育的巔峰，但隨著政府資金枯竭并轉(zhuǎn)向更有利可圖的領(lǐng)域（如軍事工業(yè)復(fù)合體，僅對(duì)少數(shù)人而非國(guó)家有利），這些神圣學(xué)府不得不尋求企業(yè)和富人的資助。一旦如此，滑坡便開(kāi)始了，且持續(xù)至今。美國(guó)不再培養(yǎng)本土人才，而是引進(jìn)專(zhuān)家——看看硅谷就知道了。美國(guó)學(xué)校系統(tǒng)糟糕透頂，畢業(yè)生幾乎半文盲。我記得多年前麥當(dāng)勞不得不在收銀機(jī)上貼圖片，因?yàn)轭櫩筒蛔R(shí)字。美國(guó)早已落后，但有一件事他們極為擅長(zhǎng)：自欺欺人，反復(fù)告訴自己“我們最棒”，并對(duì)此深信不疑。

@JT13 England
Of course Durov is perfectly correct and we have known this for decades. It is the West’s liberal touchy-feely teaching staff that causes the problem but ignores it. It’s also easier to have no class discipline as it saves having to teach properly. Then that is masked by reducing the standards needed to pass exams and get a degree. So, many graduates are no cleverer than 1970’s ‘A’ level students. Another aspect of this touchy-feeling nonsense is to ban the discussion of any ‘challenging’ ideas, like discussing why we actively help Israel slaughter the Gazans and why we label anyone against the slaughter –‘a(chǎn)nti-semitic’! The West lives in it’s own rosy make-believe fantasy world.

杜羅夫當(dāng)然完全正確，我們幾十年前就知道這一點(diǎn)。問(wèn)題出在西方那些“玻璃心”的自由派教師身上，他們視而不見(jiàn)。不維持課堂紀(jì)律也更輕松，畢竟不用認(rèn)真教學(xué)。然后通過(guò)降低考試和學(xué)位標(biāo)準(zhǔn)來(lái)掩蓋問(wèn)題。因此，許多畢業(yè)生的水平還不如1970年代的A級(jí)學(xué)生。這種“玻璃心”鬧劇的另一表現(xiàn)是禁止討論任何“挑戰(zhàn)性”觀點(diǎn)，比如為何積極支持以色列屠殺加沙人，以及為何將反對(duì)屠殺者貼上“反猶”標(biāo)簽！西方活在自己粉飾的幻想世界里。

@F
I visited a town in Shangdong China there was approx 10 million people – the town was known as a kung fu town – everything was focused towards training kung fu – hundreds of kung fu schools – clubs and training centers – for hundreds of years this was the towns focus, nearly everybody in the town was a kung fu, tai chi, wushu, taekwondo masters – from the old age pensioners to the smallest children – this was one town you dont go and cause trouble

我曾去過(guò)山東一個(gè)約千萬(wàn)人口的城鎮(zhèn)——那里以武術(shù)聞名，一切都圍繞武術(shù)訓(xùn)練展開(kāi)：數(shù)百所武校、俱樂(lè)部和訓(xùn)練中心。數(shù)百年來(lái)，這是該鎮(zhèn)的核心，幾乎所有人——從老人到幼童——都是功夫、太極、武術(shù)或跆拳道大師。這種地方可沒(méi)人敢惹事。

@Janice Edgar-West
Just about any where else not in ?the West? is better educated!

幾乎所有非“西方”地區(qū)的教育水平都更高！

@hugh mungus
Oh you think? Something like 1?3 of american high school graduates can’t read at a 4th grade level.

哦，是嗎？大約三分之一的美國(guó)高中畢業(yè)生閱讀能力不到四年級(jí)水平。

@Hexe Pick8
In the West, children are kept in schools so that parents can work undisturbed. So to say the tasks they are assigned to do are boring and repetitive and not very challanging. So in fact.. the method i use to teach them is, that they may solve the problems verbally if they think they are easy. I will write down the answers for them, to share the burden of being assigned a task that feels pointless. And if they make mistakes or are slow they need to write the answer down themselves, because this means they are in need of practice.

在西方，孩子被留在學(xué)校是為了讓家長(zhǎng)安心工作。因此他們被布置的任務(wù)往往無(wú)聊、重復(fù)且缺乏挑戰(zhàn)。實(shí)際上，我的教學(xué)方法是：如果學(xué)生覺(jué)得題目簡(jiǎn)單，可以口頭解答，我來(lái)替他們寫(xiě)下答案，分擔(dān)這種無(wú)意義任務(wù)的負(fù)擔(dān)。但如果他們犯錯(cuò)或反應(yīng)慢，就必須自己寫(xiě)答案——這說(shuō)明他們需要練習(xí)。

@Kaleey Smith
most international competition between countries are 90% all mostly asians……. so asian americans Vs asian china mainland.

大多數(shù)國(guó)際競(jìng)賽中，90%的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)是亞洲人之間的較量……美籍亞裔對(duì)陣中國(guó)大陸人。

@Decoy
Excellent comment. As every picture of a US winning math team photo will confirm.

精辟的評(píng)論。每一張美國(guó)數(shù)學(xué)競(jìng)賽冠軍隊(duì)伍的照片都能印證這點(diǎn)。

@Kalen
A picture is worth a thousand words. 6 of 8 are Asians in The United States’ 2024 International Mathematics Olympiad Team.

一圖勝千言。美國(guó)2024年國(guó)際數(shù)學(xué)奧賽隊(duì)伍8人中有6人是亞裔。

@Bukarie Lowell.
Everything China is far superior than that of US and do IL Europe. Believe it or not.

中國(guó)的一切都遠(yuǎn)勝美國(guó)及歐洲諸國(guó)。信不信由你。

@Arnel Alcomendras
China education for college is FREE. More and more americans cannot afford college and have to take out loans in ?hope? that maybe someday they will be able to climb the ladder of a greedy, corupt and capitalist state in hope that crime, humger and poverty don’t overtake them before that.

中國(guó)大學(xué)教育免費(fèi)。美國(guó)越來(lái)越多的人上不起大學(xué)，只能貸款“希望”有朝一日能爬上貪婪腐敗資本主義國(guó)家的階梯——但愿犯罪、饑餓和貧困不會(huì)先擊垮他們。

Corrupt usa is so worried that SMART China is growing the people’s education to build a MORE SUCCESSFUL country.

腐敗的美國(guó)如此擔(dān)憂(yōu)聰明的中國(guó)發(fā)展國(guó)民教育以建設(shè)更成功的國(guó)家。

Corrupt advances poverty. In contrast, China nurtures and grows SUCCESS and PROSPERITY.

腐敗滋生貧困，而中國(guó)培育成功與繁榮。

@Eileen Dover
A Chinese dude creates an AI engine for a fraction of the cost of a US one and it is better. Chinese educational system is free and produces better results. In the US, you have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for education that isn’t as rigorous. US is a rip off. A pyramid scheme.

一個(gè)中國(guó)人以美國(guó)成本的零頭開(kāi)發(fā)出更優(yōu)秀的AI引擎。中國(guó)教育體系免費(fèi)且成效更佳。在美國(guó)，你得花數(shù)十萬(wàn)美元接受不那么嚴(yán)格的教育。美國(guó)就是個(gè)騙局，一場(chǎng)傳銷(xiāo)。

@Joshuahn Jackstonburg
As is the infrastructure and welfare in China – much better.

中國(guó)的基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施和福利也一樣——好得多。

@Jerome
That’s an absolute fact, they always have been smarter, which is one of the main reasons they are so driven, because of the 100 years of humiliation of being occupied by the ignorant neanderthal barbarians from the west.

這是鐵一般的事實(shí)，中國(guó)人向來(lái)更聰明，這也是他們?nèi)绱藠^發(fā)的主要原因——源于被西方無(wú)知的野蠻人殖民的百年屈辱。

@MTSK Mobile
We have over 5000yrs of history compared to the US inbreeds who are encouraged to spread lies, proper-gander and deceit. Long live China !!!

我們擁有5000年歷史，而美國(guó)那些近親繁殖的蠢貨只會(huì)散播謊言、宣傳與欺騙。中國(guó)萬(wàn)歲！??！

@Eileen Dover
All US cares about is gender and climate studies, both pseudo sciences based on hoaxes. Maybe they figure they can poach Russians and Chinese forever. But that’s not happening anymore.

美國(guó)只關(guān)心性別和氣候研究，這兩門(mén)偽科學(xué)建立在騙局之上?；蛟S他們以為能永遠(yuǎn)挖走中俄人才，但現(xiàn)在這招不靈了。
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@Me
The issue identified by Durov, is NOT a Western issue, it is an American issue. It is ONLY the US who has retarded students. This is because their culture is mentally handicapped. The American system favours Universities making money, not actually educating students to a high level. If a student is paying big money for his/her education, then it is in the interests of the University to push their students through to success via multiple choice answers to questions. Only the US uses multi-choice exam questions, nobody else.

杜羅夫指出的問(wèn)題并非西方問(wèn)題，而是美國(guó)獨(dú)有的。只有美國(guó)才有智障學(xué)生，因?yàn)樗麄兊奈幕嬖谥橇θ毕?。美?guó)教育體系鼓勵(lì)大學(xué)去賺錢(qián)而非培養(yǎng)高水平人才。如果學(xué)生為教育支付巨款，大學(xué)就有動(dòng)力用選擇題幫他們“成功”——全世界只有美國(guó)用選擇題考試。

@Eileen Dover
It didn’t use to be that way. There was once competition and standards. But that went out the window in favor of diversity, tolerance, and inclusion.

過(guò)去并非如此。曾經(jīng)有競(jìng)爭(zhēng)和標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，但這一切都被拋棄，轉(zhuǎn)而追求多樣性、寬容和包容。

@Skip
Many of America’s previous governments have worked hard to keep Americans dumbed down. I’ll accept president Trump’s first term. I’m expecting his second term to be the same with a lot of nice bonuses in the way of military tribunals and such. He promised to take out the trash from day one. Everybody can see he’s doing it. The rest assured, he’s doing a hell of a lot more behind the scenes that none of the public knows about. He did the same thing in his first term. Criminal politicians hate president Trump because they know he spells the end of their criminal enterprises.

美國(guó)歷屆政府竭力保持國(guó)民愚昧。我認(rèn)可特朗普的第一個(gè)任期，并期待他的第二個(gè)任期同樣精彩——附帶軍事法庭等“福利”。他承諾從第一天起清理垃圾，大家有目共睹。放心，他在幕后干的臟活遠(yuǎn)超公眾所知，第一任期就如此。罪犯政客們恨特朗普，因?yàn)樗馕吨麄兎缸锏蹏?guó)的終結(jié)。

@lix Hilal
Ever since commercialism sprang up in the late eighties especially. It was a plastic product free for all with Walmart stealing products from the Chinese and bringing them back here to the slave camp to distribute them back the poor people for profits. Many profits from many imported goods bought for a fraction of the cost as the people were willing to debase themselves and slave for it, and work for nothing and destroy their environment. Industrialists woke up a sleeping giant and now it is out of the western hemispheres complete control. The resources will be be hoarded and traded and the economy will collapse as the price increases due to storage and supply demand. It will cause production to cease outside of prisons and robots. Literal prisons where they take people monitored and found to be out of line

自1980年代末商業(yè)主義興起，尤其是沃爾瑪從中國(guó)Q取產(chǎn)品，運(yùn)回美國(guó)分發(fā)給窮人牟利。無(wú)數(shù)進(jìn)口商品以極低成本購(gòu)入，而民眾甘愿自我貶低、為奴工作、破壞環(huán)境。實(shí)業(yè)家喚醒沉睡的巨人（中國(guó)），如今西方已徹底失控。資源將被囤積交易，經(jīng)濟(jì)將因倉(cāng)儲(chǔ)與供需導(dǎo)致的價(jià)格上漲而崩潰。生產(chǎn)將僅限于監(jiān)獄和機(jī)器人——真正的監(jiān)獄，關(guān)押那些被監(jiān)控并發(fā)現(xiàn)“越界”的人。

@Ano ny Mouse
Eastern science hurts western feelings

東方科學(xué)傷害西方感情

Western oligarchs builds their capitalism power on Woke feelings

西方寡頭將資本主義權(quán)力建立在“覺(jué)醒”情感上
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Go broke

等著破產(chǎn)吧

@Throt Unclean
Two articles in one day insulting American intelligence. Love it.

一天兩篇文章侮辱美國(guó)智商。愛(ài)了。

@lix Hilal
Who doesn’t love school? All those kids who have to go online. I got on the internet for the first time in school when I was 12 back in the 1990s. Anyone else remember Netscape? Webrawler? Of course yajoo was around back then of course. Yahooooooo. Wow our Internet sucked back then. Literally three minutes to load a picture . I was at that age where I was exposed to all types of pictures

誰(shuí)不喜歡學(xué)校？所有被迫上網(wǎng)的孩子。我1990年代12歲時(shí)在學(xué)校第一次接觸互聯(lián)網(wǎng)。還有人記得Netscape和Webrawler嗎？當(dāng)然還有雅虎。天，那時(shí)的網(wǎng)絡(luò)爛透了——加載一張圖要三分鐘。那時(shí)的我正是什么圖片都想看的年紀(jì)。

@lix Hilal
The problem I had as a kid learning the math when I was a kid was that I couldn’t find anyone to ask questions that knew how to do it if I ever hit a road block. It was before the internet . Still math was very easy but due to my parents working I was on my own. I got c grades but never did homework after a while. I til college. Calculus a+ physics a+ Chemistry a+. Biology a+Who does not love geometry? The high school told me I was a retard and my parents tried to get me to join the marine corp since they would NOT pay for it and I was on my own ever since.i was a class clown

我小時(shí)候?qū)W數(shù)學(xué)的問(wèn)題是：遇到難題時(shí)找不到人請(qǐng)教（當(dāng)時(shí)還沒(méi)互聯(lián)網(wǎng)）。數(shù)學(xué)其實(shí)很簡(jiǎn)單，但父母忙于工作，我只能靠自己。我得過(guò)C，后來(lái)干脆不做作業(yè)。直到大學(xué)，微積分A+、物理A+、化學(xué)A+、生物A+。誰(shuí)不愛(ài)幾何？高中老師說(shuō)我是弱智，父母想讓我加入海軍陸戰(zhàn)隊(duì)（因?yàn)樗麄儾辉父秾W(xué)費(fèi)），從此我自力更生。我就是個(gè)班上的小丑。

@Alpha Beta
USA depends on Chinese products and Indian workforce

美國(guó)依賴(lài)中國(guó)產(chǎn)品和印度勞動(dòng)力

@Kev Peacock
There was a time when we sent our young people to the education facilities of the West, those young people studied hard and learned well, then they came back to China and became the teachers and professors who have raised the education standard to new highs.

曾幾何時(shí)，我們將年輕人送往西方學(xué)府，他們努力學(xué)習(xí)后回到中國(guó)，成為教師和教授，將教育水平推向新高。

@Raja Kt
Chinese and Indian education are far far better than the western one. Most of the technocrats, buffs or boffins etc are from these countries. What the parasitic western countries do is that they woo razor-sharp prodigies, seasoned aficionados etc with fat and promising salaries etc and better lifestyle. But they borrow so much money to achieve that goal. Unpatriotic and money-grabbing Indian bureaucrats and politicians and their milieu are spoiling the Indian subcontinent. It is similar in India, China and Russia. Around 6000 opulent Indian millionaires , 1000 Russian millionaires, 3000 Chinese millionaires left their countries for greenery pastures. It’s high time BRICS++ should think of retaining and nurturing their citizens.

中印教育遠(yuǎn)優(yōu)于西方。大多數(shù)技術(shù)專(zhuān)家、狂熱愛(ài)好者都來(lái)自這些國(guó)家。西方寄生蟲(chóng)國(guó)家用高薪和優(yōu)渥生活吸引頂尖人才，卻為此負(fù)債累累。印度不愛(ài)國(guó)、貪腐的官僚政客正在毀掉南亞次大陸。中俄亦然。約6000名印度富豪、1000名俄羅斯富豪、3000名中國(guó)富豪移民海外。金磚國(guó)家是時(shí)候思考如何留住和培養(yǎng)本國(guó)人才了。

@Larry
HL Mencken on American education: The most erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

亨利-路易斯-門(mén)肯論美國(guó)教育：“最錯(cuò)誤的假設(shè)是，公共教育的目的是用知識(shí)填充年輕人并喚醒其智慧，使其以開(kāi)明獨(dú)立的方式履行公民義務(wù)。這與真相相差十萬(wàn)八千里。公共教育的目的根本不是傳播啟蒙，而是將盡可能多的人降至同一安全水平，培育標(biāo)準(zhǔn)化公民，壓制異議與原創(chuàng)?！?/b>

@Ingrid
European schooling was much superior to the Anglo-Saxon countries but since the 90’s it has worsened.

歐洲教育曾遠(yuǎn)優(yōu)于盎格魯-撒克遜國(guó)家，但自90年代以來(lái)已經(jīng)惡化。

中國(guó) 教育西方 Telegram 創(chuàng)始人 杜羅夫

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